How many papers for tenure reflux redux

(by odyssey) May 15 2012

A little over three years ago, back on my original blogspot blog, I wrote a post titled How Many Papers for Tenure? [I reposted it here when I first moved to Scientopia.] This remains, I believe, my all time most read post.

Now I haven't paid much attention to my old blog for a while, but recently went back there to look for something I had written. Turns out the How Many Papers for Tenure? post had garnered a couple more comments. I was struck in particular by one:

Anonymous said...
Impact Factor and Citations are far more important. Quality over quantity. But quantity doesn't hurt.
Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:44:00 PM EST

Yes and no.

Maybe.

Well, actually, mostly no.

Certainly quality matters. So does quantity. Your tenure decision is partly in the hands of bean counters. One could certainly get past them with fewer than expected papers if the ones you had published made a positive impact on the field. Hopefully the letters written supporting you would make that very clear.

But Impact Factor and Citations?

No. Most emphatically, no.

It's widely accepted by all but some bean counters and the glamour hounds that journal impact factor correlates rather poorly with actual long-term impact upon the field. I've certainly read many, many society-level journal papers that have had a much larger, longer-lasting impact than many Glamourmagz papers. Sure, you don't want to come up for tenure with all of your papers, or even any of them, in sub-sub-sub-basement IF level journals. On the other hand, coming up for tenure with a single Glamourmagz publication isn't so good either. You want sufficient good quality publications to show that you have established a research program. One Glamourmagz publication doesn't do that.* Even worse, there are those of us that might think you're doing your trainees a great disservice funneling all of their work into a single high profile publication from which only the first and senior authors will garner credit.**

And citations? Puh-leeeeeze. Your tenure decision should ride on what you did during tenure-track. We're talking 5-6 years here, likely with most of your publications coming in the last 3 or so years. Hardly enough time for any but the rare immediate-large-impact publication to garner more than a few citations. The impact of your work should be judged by those who have been asked to write letters of support, particularly those within your sub-field, not by how many citations you might have gathered in a couple of years.

Focus on publishing X number of good quality publications pre-tenure, where X > the average number of publications the last few people in your department had coming up. If you land a Glamourmagz publication, good for you, but don't screw yourself over by focusing solely on that. And don't worry about citations. If your work is good, they'll come along eventually.

Next thing you know someone is going to suggest h-index as a measure of tenure-track success...

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* And doesn't do your chances of landing a grant as much good as you might think.
** If you want to offer up the multiple equally-contributing first author Kool Aid, go elsewhere.

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Never alone

(by odyssey) May 14 2012

Life's been busy here the last few weeks. I've been working my butt off organizing various things on top of running the lab etc. All good stuff. As a result of the last couple of weeks, plus some anecdata from some bloggy friends, I've been reflecting on what it takes and means to be successful in academic science.* We have a tendency to talk about how we - as in the singular I - have been/are successful. From the graduate students "I successfully completed this experiment..." to the PI's "I landed the following grants and published the following papers". I tend to say I earned tenure (I did!).

But the truth is there is almost no room for the singular I in academic science, or science in general, anymore. Hasn't been for a long time. I didn't get to where I am by myself. I landed my TT position, got funding, published papers, earned tenure, and have pushed along post-tenure through the efforts of myself and many others. Did I play a central role? Sure. I earned tenure. But there is no way I could be where I am without the help of others.

I am where I am because of the efforts of my postdoc mentor, colleagues in my department and institution, collaborators, trainees, professional and non-professional staff. Even the housekeeping staff.** I'm not so special. Nor am I unique. PI's like to boast about how they made it despite the odds/admin/poor funding rates etc. But they would never "make it" without a large network of support.

And yet there are those in similar positions to mine who feel anyone who is not faculty at a research intensive institution is somehow inferior. Not worthy of consideration. Simple peons to be used and abused. Oft times abused.

People like that make my blood boil. They are delusional douchebags who should not be tolerated.

Recognize that you cannot do what you do without the help of those around you.

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* Or successful anywhere really. The above applies to pretty much all walks of life.
** Try running a successful research program when your lab and office is piled high with trash.

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Beer 501: #dinnerdare pairings part deux

(by odyssey) Mar 16 2012

After the initial flurry #dinnerdare postings have died down. But there were still a few. And here be the pairings.

Eugene Days' Peanut Butter and Honey Sandwiches:
Apparently he wore himself out with his first entry... Beer with peanut butter? Sure, why not? How about a decent amber ale? Unibroue Maudite - some nut and maybe caramel, apple and fig notes. Highly drinkable.

ProfLikeSubstance's Stuffed Pork Loin and Green Beans:
Pork and gorgonzola. Sounds like a great combo. I'm suggesting two potential pairings. A German doppelbock - my favorite is Ayinger Celebrator. Dark, rich in malt, bready and slightly bitter, not from hops, but from the roasted malt. ANother possibility would be a Belgian tripel. Try Gouden Carolus Tripel, or for an American version, Anderson Valley Brother David's Tripel. Tripels tend to be malty-sweet with underlying fruitiness (apple, pear), plus some bread character.

SciTriGrrl's Soba Noodle with Spicy Peanut Sauce (no picture):
Apparently loosely based on this recipe. Again, two possible pairings. Avery White Rascal, a Belgian-style wit ale, works well with spicy Asian food. Or you could try Avery IPA - fairly strong citrus notes with good, hoppy bitterness.

KatieSci's Corndog in a Glass:
Also carries the tag #gradstudentstyle. A better use of that glass would be to pour a Avery Joe's Pilsner into it (but don't put the corndog in too!). A huge step up from the usual American pilsner dross, and still affordable enough for a grad student.

PHLane's Bacon-wrapped St. Louis Dog served on Pulled Pork:
Bacon at last! Really people, so many #dinnerdares and so little bacon? And note this also came with fries. I believe Pascale was drinking Yuengling Lager(?) at the ballpark. Not a bad choice as a pairing with this. Probably also about the best you'll do at the vast majority of ballparks. But let's pretend you could get better. How about a Achouffe McChouffe? This is a Belgian dark red ale with a soft malt base, typical Belgian yeast flavor, plus noticeable bitterness from the hops. A well-balanced ale for a warm day in the sun.

Once again, if I missed any, let me know.

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Beer 501: #dinnerdare pairings the first [Updated again!]

(by odyssey) Mar 14 2012

So the Twitterz #dinnerdare challenge is off and running. Last night saw some strong entries. As promised, here are some beer pairings. I apologize to any #dinnerdare participants whose entries I've missed - let me know in the comments and I will rectify.

Note that for those entries where no recipe has been posted I am taking something of a guess at some ingredients and hence with the beer pairing.

In no particular order...

Dr Becca's Shrimp and Grits (Cakes):
Dr Becca apparently threw this together using whatever she already had available in her epically small kitchen. Impressive. I'm bookmarking this one to try myself. Now shrimp and grits, with the coulis Dr Becca threw together, tend to have mild - subtle even - flavors, so you don't want to overwhelm these with an in-your-face beer. I'm going Belgian. Try the Dupont Foret, a farmhouse ale brewed for summertime consumption. Refreshing citrus notes with a champaign-like dryness. Another, easier to find, possibility is Avery White Rascal - a Belgian-style unfiltered white ale spiced with coriander and orange peel.

ProfLikeSubstance's Guacamole:
Not a dinner of course, but a damn good appetizer. PlS has a bottle of Ithaca Brewing Flower Power IPA in the pictures. A bitter IPA is a great choice to set off the creamy avocado and complement the added lime juice. I've not had the Flower Power, but would suggest a citrusy IPA like Sierra Nevada's Hoptimum or Southern Tier's 2XIPA. The latter is a double IPA, so extra hoppy, but doesn't lose that citrus background.

Jason Goldman's Shrimp, Chicken and Sausage Jambalaya Pasta:
Jambalaya pasta? Looks good. No recipe though, so I'm going to assume it tastes like jambalaya. With pasta. One could go with an English bitter such as Fuller's London Pride or Samuel Smith's Organic Ale. These aren't really bitter, just bitter by English standards. They tend to have malty caramel notes and are well-balanced by the hops. Or go out on a limb and try it with a Scottish Wee Heavy like Bellhaven Wee Heavy - butterscotch and Scotch (whiskey) notes should pair well with a smoky sausage in the jambalaya.

[UPDATE] And here's Jason's recipe!

ProfLike's Grilled Fillet, Portobella, Curried Broccoli Rabe, and Roll:
Good old grilled steak calls for a good old... porter! The caramel, chocolate and coffee notes in a good porter pair well with grilled red meat. And portobella. Try Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald Porter or Bell's Porter.

NatC's Chana Masala:
Indian food, and Asian food in general, tends to be chock full of flavor. A beer that can hold it's own, without being overwhelming, is called for. The Avery White Rascal described above would be good. Or you could try an English-style IPA like Left Hand 400 Pound Monkey.

Eugene Day's Chili-lime Grilled Swordfish, Grilled Squash/Carrots w/ Balsamic Reduction, and PiƱon Rice Pilaf:
This dish screams "Summer!". It needs a refreshing beer that won't mask the subtle flavors found in swordfish. Dupont Avril would work. Fruity dryness with almost champaign-like effervescence. Or if you can't find that, try Avery Joe's Pilsner. I'm not a huge fan of pilsners - or "pisswasser" as I may have referred to it - but this is a good one. Very drinkable. Don't be put off by the fact it comes in a can - pour it into a glass and enjoy!

[UPDATE] Here be the recipe.

Katie's Moroccan Chicken with Lentils and Basmati Rice:
Yum! I haven't had Moroccan in a while... Let's go Trappist(-style)! Sierra Nevada's Ovila Quad is a Trappist-style dubbel with plum, date and fig notes, with a low level of bitterness. Or you could go with an authentic Trappist ale like Chimay Grand Reserve (Chimay Blue) or Rochefort 6, both medium sweet with candied fruit characteristics.

And lastly for today, while not tagged as a #dinnerdare entry...

DrugMonkey's Arugula/Mushroom/Mozzarella/Prosciutto Pizza/Calzone Thing:

I think this needs a good pale ale. My current favorite is Schlafly's APA. Founders Dry-Hopped Pale Ale would also work. If you're a little adventurous, try Stone's Cali-Belgique IPA - an IPA brewed using a Belgian yeast which gives it a fruitier, spicier flavor than most IPAs.

[UPDATE] I knew there was one I missed...

Geeka's Simplicity: Pea Shoots, Goat Cheese, Pear Vinegarette:
A beer with salad? Why yes. Goose Island Fleur. Strawberries, maybe hibiscus tea. Perfect with a vinaigrette.

[UPDATE] And another I missed...

SugarScientist's caramelized Onion, Potato, and Broccoli Quiche:

Hmmm, quiche... I'm going to give you three potential pairings. Each quite different from the other two. First, Goose Island Matilda, a Belgian-style amber ale. Somewhat acidic with apple and cherry notes. Second, Sierra Nevada Kellerwies, an American hefeweizen (wheat beer). Both bready and fruity. Lastly, Brooklyn Summer Ale, a crisp, light ale with bread and citrus undertones. Take your pick!

Now I'm hungry. And thirsty.

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The return of Beer 501 with #dinnerdare pairings

(by odyssey) Mar 13 2012

It's been a while - a long while - since my last Beer 501 post. I've been meaning to get back to those. Now I have an excuse.*

A number of people in the Twitterverse have decided to participate in a little challenge with the hashtag #dinnerdare. They're basically trying to out cook one another. Some of the participants are listed in ProfLikeSubstance's post on the challenge. ProfLike and Isis, the reigning blog cook-off champ, have been engaging in some friendly banter that has resulted in ProfLike firing the first shot with a guacamole recipe.

Now I'm no great shakes in the kitchen, so I won't be participating. But here's what I can do. I will suggest a beer pairing for each dish that is blogged as part of the challenge. Stayed tuned - I'll put together a post or two once more recipes are posted.

What better way to restart Beer 501!

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* Not that I really needed one.

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Help out one of our own

(by odyssey) Feb 17 2012

I could write a lot about what's wrong with the healthcare system in this country. A lot. But it wouldn't hit home quite the way this story does. A lot of uninsured folks need help. Let's start by helping one of our own. Go read David Kroll's post on #IAmUninsured and give what you can. No family should be afraid to get medical help for their children or themselves. Ever.

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It's "Screw with the Administrators" time!

(by odyssey) Feb 02 2012

A good bloggy friend has recently been fighting a battle with an Administrator on a power trip. I won't go into details, but I can tell you that it's a ridiculous situation in which the Administrator is refusing to take the ten minutes required to correct a mistake, made by the Administrator, because it would be against the "administrative regulations".

Unfortunately there seems to have been a large increase in this kind of nonsense over the past decade or so. If you want to read about some truly egregious examples, check out Benjamin Ginsburg's "The Fall of the Faculty". While I don't necessarily agree with everything Ginsburg has to say, there are some truly startling stories and statistics in his book. Like universities with ~30 administrators and staff per 100 students. Really?

Now there are administrators and Administrators. The former are the good ones. People who see their jobs for what they should be - providing the means by which faculty and staff can further the mission of the institution. For research-intensive universities that would primarily be the creation and dissemination of knowledge. These people do exist. Trust me.

Then there are the Administrators. These are the people who use their positions within the administration to further the cause of... administration. Adminstrators who build empires doing, well, not a whole hell of a lot. I'm sure we all know some of these. Their goal seems largely, if not solely, to be to grab enough power and prestige to be able to move up the academic administration career ladder. These Administrators, aside from being a drain on limited financial resources*, can serve as a huge impediment to the institutional mission.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-administration. Just anti-Administrators.

Screw them.

Actually, let's screw with them.

How? Well, there are a number of things we can do.

1) Ask nonsensical questions that sound like they might be important for an Adminsitrator.

Administrators speak their own language - adminspeak. It is rife with nouns turned into verbs. Incentivize. Actionable. Use them. At the end of a presentation given by an Administrator, ask something like "How are you going to make this actionable in order to incentivize the stakeholders so that you can actualize the nominalization of the process?" Then sit back a watch the Administrator try to hide that look of panic.

2) Metrics.

This is such an easy one. Administrators do love their metrics. And we scientists do like our numbers to have statistical significance. Try asking an Administrator about p-values and samples sizes for a set of metrics. Even better, ask them about comparisons to a control group. Administrators never have control groups.

3) Sow dissension in the ranks.

Administrators are in it for the power and prestige. There are few things they hate more than finding out an Administrator of equal rank has gained more power and/or prestige than they have. Casually mention to Senior Associate Vice Assistant Deanling for X that you heard a rumor - mind you, it's just a rumor - that Senior Associate Vice Assistant Deanling for Y is getting a budget increase. Or is having the walls their office suite paneled in Sumatran teak - and it's not coming out of their budget. Sit back and enjoy the ensuing feud.

4) Fuel paranoia.

Administrators tend to be paranoid. They really, really fear the loss of power and prestige. This makes them such easy targets given the current economic situation. While enduring conversation with an Administrator, mention in passing that you heard a rumor - mind you, it's just a rumor - that there was a reorganization in the works that would see units such as the Administrator's absorbed into a larger unit controlled by a more powerful Administrator. This is particularly effective if the Administrator in question doesn't like the more powerful Administrator. Another option is to mumble something about impending budget cuts within the Adminstrator's unit.

Now remember, target Administrators, not administrators.

If you have any suggestions on other ways to screw with Administrators, post them in the comments.

Have fun!

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* The national average is ~9 people in the administration per 100 students. Do we really need that many?

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Harvest time?

(by odyssey) Jan 09 2012

Are we reaping what we have sown?

There has been much wailing and gnashing of teeth discussion on the blogosphere of late regarding the dismal success rates with getting funding and the recent reorganizations at NSF's BIO directorate. Check out Joan Strassmann's thoughts on preproposals at the IOS and DEB divisions and the resulting comments, and Prof-like Substance's thoughts on potential changes at the NSF. Lots of good fodder for discussion at both places.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and repeat something I said over at the now long-silent NSF is Broken forum:

The NSF is not broken.

At least it wasn't prior to the BIO reorganizations.

In my experience as an NSF grantee, proposal reviewer and review panel member the system worked. Good science was funded. Sure, some, maybe even a lot of good science wasn't. Peer review ain't perfect. And there's never been enough money at the NSF to fund all the science that deserved it, but neither of those things are symptoms of a broken NSF.

The two most common themes that come out of discussions regarding whether or not the NSF is broken and how to fix it focus on just those two issues - the peer review system as implemented by the NSF and the horrendous funding rates we are now experiencing.

A major reason cited for the reorganization of the BIO directorate is the difficulty PO's are having finding people to review proposals. As funding rates have gone down at both NSF and NIH the number of proposals appears to have gone up. I tend to believe it, although I haven't seen any real data supporting the assertion. That puts a lot of strain on reviewers and review panels. Hence the BIO response of cutting back on the number of deadlines, limiting the number of proposals you can be PI or Co-PI on, and in the case of IOS and DEB, instituting preproposals. But that's a case of treating the symptoms, not the root causes.

According to PO's I've spoken with, it's become increasingly difficult to find people willing to review proposals and sit on panels. People are just saying no. Does that not mean we as a community are at fault here? It's our responsibility to step up and review. Whether it be grant proposals or manuscripts. You expect people to review your work, shouldn't you be reviewing the work of others? Of course we're all doing more than our fair share, but we all know people who aren't, don't we? I don't really know what the answer to this is, but the changes at the NSF seem to be mere bandaids.

Of course the big issue is the lack of money at the NSF. They just don't have enough to fund everything that should be funded. As I noted above, they never have, but in recent times it's gotten worse. And as NIH funding rates have plummeted, PI's previously funded by them are trying their luck at both agencies. As they probably should. Funding for Federal agencies is set by Congress of course, not by we scientists. But we should be trying to influence Congress, shouldn't we? Should have been all along, right? But let's face it, we as a community have pretty much sucked when it comes to lobbying for more money for science. It's all too easy to leave that up to others, our professional societies etc. Surely we should be concentrating on doing the science and let others worry about finding the money? Ummm, no. That's not how the world works.

Maybe it's our community that needs some repairs...

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On the value of research experiences

(by odyssey) Jan 04 2012

It's a new year. Already. And applications for positions in the NSF REU program I run are beginning to arrive. Already.

Of late I've been thinking, once again, about the value of providing research experiences to undergraduates. Or anyone for that matter. My recent thoughts were catalyzed by a conversation I recently had with a non-scientist. This person had just read a newspaper article reporting on a recent study that found some kind of link between carbohydrate intake and breast cancer. I haven't read the study, or even the newspaper article. Indeed, the details of the study are unimportant as fas as this post is concerned. What is important is the statement the non-scientist made concerning the article. They said they don't believe any of these kinds of studies because there are far too many things going on and it would be impossible to pinpoint one factor that might be involved in a particular human condition. Or words to that effect.

It certainly is true that scientific research can be very, very complex. At times mind-bogglingly so. But research scientists are trained to deal with exactly that. And someone who has had some research experience, even if just a few weeks over a summer, will know that. Even if they don't know exactly how a study into possible links between carbohydrates and breast cancer would be done.* Should one believe every newspaper report on a scientific study? Of course not. Neither should one believe everything published in the primary literature. But one should not dismiss something out of hand simply because you don't know how it's done.

A research experience is scientific literacy.

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* I don't. It's rather far removed from what I do.

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Wearing the black hat

(by odyssey) Dec 15 2011

When I was young it was pretty easy to tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys.

The good guys often wore white hats. And always did the right thing.

The bad guys wore black hats. And/or were ugly. Or monsters. And were bad.

Then I grew up and the distinction between good guy and bad guy became... fuzzy.

In my daily life who is the "good guy" and who the "bad guy" is often subjective. It all depends upon who, if anyone, "loses" in each situation. Truth is, we all have to wear white or black hats depending on the circumstances.

This week I had to wear the black hat more than I would have liked. But it was necessary. There are people here who currently view me as the bad guy. That may, or may not, change as time passes.

I find being the bad guy hard. It's draining.

I hate being the bad guy.

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