This is great. Skipping to the part where Justice Kagen is grilling the lawyer Charles J. Cooper, Esq, on the harms of permitting gay marriage.....
JUSTICE KAGAN: Well, could you explain that a little bit to me, just because I did not pick this up in your briefs.
What harm you see happening and when and how and -- what -- what harm to the institution of marriage or to opposite-sex couples, how does this cause and effect work?
MR. COOPER: Once again, I -- I would reiterate that we don't believe that's the correct legal question before the Court, and that the correct question is whether or not redefining marriage to include same-sex couples would advance the interests of marriage as a -JUST
Justice Kennedy went to work on him for evading, leading to this incoherent blather from Cooper.
But consider the California voter, in 2008, in the ballot booth, with the question before her whether or not this age-old bedrock social institution should be fundamentally redefined, and knowing that there's no way that she or anyone else could possibly know what the long-term implications of -- of profound redefinition of a bedrock social institution would be. That is reason enough, Your Honor, that would hardly be irrational for that voter to say, I believe that this experiment, which is now only fairly four years old, even in Massachusetts, the oldest State that is conducting it, to say, I think it better for California to hit the pause button and await additional information from the jurisdictions where this experiment is still maturing.
HAHAHAHAAAHAHAH! In non-court parlance...Dude, they got NOTHING! This is pathetic, right? That the justification is to wait-n-see how it works out in some other state? When has it EVER been the case that protecting rights has worked out poorly and led to a lasting reconsideration? I mean, the case at hand is exactly this but they only had like 6 months to experiment (and as far as I know the comparative handful of gay marriages in CA during the window of opportunity has not destroyed heterosexual marriage in CA yet, right? There would've been news articles.)
It was left to Supreme Troll Scalia to rescue the point...tra-la-laaaaaaa!
JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Cooper, let me -- let me give you one -- one concrete thing. I don't know why you don't mention some concrete things. If you redefine marriage to include same-sex couples, you must -- you must permit adoption by same-sex couples, and there's -there's considerable disagreement among -- among sociologists as to what the consequences of raising a child in a -- in a single-sex family, whether that is harmful to the child or not. Some States do not -- do not permit adoption by same-sex couples for that reason.
Let me GIVE YOU an argument??????
Justice Ginsburg pokes holes in Scalia's nonsense with regard to California's gay adoption regulations and then Scalia comes out with a classic comment:
JUSTICE SCALIA: I -- it's true, but irrelevant. They're arguing for a nationwide rule which applies to States other than California, that every State must allow marriage by same-sex couples. And so even though States that believe it is harmful -- and I take no position on whether it's harmful or not, but it is certainly true that -- that there's no scientific answer to that question at this point in time.
HHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAAHAAH "I take no position" HAHAHAAHAHAAA!!!!!!!111!!!!!!
Sure you don't, Scalia, sure you don't.