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Kington calls out one of the thousand cuts

Kington, as in Raynard Kington (PubMed), senior author of the Ginther et al. (2011) report that identified poorer NIH Grant success for African-American applicant Principal Investigators. Also as in previous Principal Deputy Director of the NIH Kington and current President of Grinnell College Kington.

He had an observation in The Scientist recently, responding to their coverage of him in context of Ginther et al, which included this bit:

And so I was dismayed by a recent news story on www.the-scientist.com about our report that seemed to prove our point about the existence of such unintentional bias. The story identified me as an “African-American scientist,” as have other stories I’ve read over the years.

Is that who I am? And if yes, is it relevant to my research?

Let me answer the second question first. The Scientist article to which I refer mentioned four scientists—and I was the only scientist who was identified by race. Moreover, the article didn’t mention any other demographic characteristics about me—not my age, my gender, my ethnicity, my sexual orientation, my geographic location, not even my current job as president of one of the nation’s leading liberal arts colleges. Nor did it include demographic information about the three other scientists mentioned in the story.

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Sciquester Tales: PIs are just not "creative" enough

from someone on the Twitts going by @ilovepigenetics

Annoyed that PIs prefer to cut positions vs. experiments. #sciquester #dotherightthing #shortsighted Fewer jobs=less taxes=less funding

this was followed with an interesting response to YHN:

@drugmonkeyblog Do the right thing. You have a responsibility to your trainees.

and the lunacy goes on (reverse chron):

  1. @SciTriGrrl @BabyAttachMode I choose to pay my people and live on 75% salary. Is it hard, yes. Am I lucky that I can do it, yes.
  2. @SciTriGrrl We are smart people. Don't take the easy solution. Figure out a smart solution.
  3. @BabyAttachMode @SciTriGrrl Who needs the $ the most-a PI who makes ~100K or a student who makes $25 K?
  4. @neuromusic @drugmonkeyblog Find ways to make it cheaper. I'm very disappointed. You have a responsibility to those you took on.
  5. @SciTriGrrl Cut your salary. Don't hire new people, but your first responsibility is your trainees. $25K doesn't support a student or a PD.
  6. Lessons from my Father: Cut YOUR salary if you must, but pay your people first. The #1 rule I learned from my Dad, a small business owner.

There are two main problems here. The first one is related to whom the PI owes "responsibility".

The NIH Grant funded PI typically has a number of responsibilities in my view.

She has a laboratory of employees and trainees with a good bit of smear between who is an employee and who is a trainee. On the one end is the straight-up employee who is a technician and on the other end an undergraduate "volunteering in the lab for experience". The former might have a reasonable expectation of life-time employment (within the confines of normal variation and the grant cycles). In between there are the postdocs who are on for a 2-3 year training stint without explicit expectation of a life-time job and graduate students who are there to achieve a semi-defined task (the doctorate). The PI has a responsibility to do well by these people, there is little doubt. But there is also little doubt that perfection cannot be achieved for everyone. Not everyone is going to have an outcome commensurate with their expectations. This is reality, not evidence of a PI who is uncaring, irresponsible or insufficiently "creative".

The PI also has a laboratory. This is the edifice built by and for the prior trainees, the current trainees, the future trainees, the PI herself...and her University. Sometimes this laboratory has been inherited from a prior investigator (or a chain of investigators). It may be a laboratory that will obviously be passed down to subsequent investigators. It may be a laboratory that has enjoyed considerable University support over the years. It may have enjoyed considerable support from a specific Institute or Center of the NIH. The PI may have to compromise on other responsibilities to service her responsibility to the laboratory, from time to time.

The PI has a career. She has to continue to publish papers, secure funding and supervise research to keep this career going. You may view this as a selfish responsibility but hey, if you are complaining about the fact that another person is taking a career hit by the PI not being "creative" enough...you need to explain why one person's selfish goals are to be prioritized over another's.

The PI has a life. Just like you do. Sure they may be further along in years, stage(s) or whatnot than you are. They may have some things that you cannot see yourself ever attaining (like a mortgage, twopointseven kids and even a stay at home spouse. perhaps college bills for offspring). And their salary is clearly higher. It looks to you like they are totes moneybags and should just forgo 25% of their salary so that someone else can stay in their job for another 6 months. Guess what? It's time to get real. NIH grant supported investigators do make a lot more than postdocs do, mostly, but they are by no means insanely compensated. And just like you, they went through a period of training and fell into debt, behind the mortgage curve, behind the 401K explosion, they came along post-pension, etc, etc. Just like you they nursed ancient cars through postdoc and into the first years of faculty. They ate pasta. They did all that and got lucky to get a job. And started a life. And now they have people who depend on them to maintain that life. My sympathies are limited for those who claim that the people farther down the path just aren't responsible or creative enough to ensure that each and every person to come through their lab achieves the same outcome as they have.

There is another big one, this one related more to "what" the PI owes responsibility. I might suggest this is even the first priority of the NIH funded Principal Investigator.

The PI has a responsibility to the grant. You know, the tax payer funded money that has been dropped on the laboratory, under the PI's guidance, in expectation of some sort of return. A return of information, otherwise known as published papers. Yes, the PI has a HUGE part of her creativity and responsibility tied up in making sure that some science actually occurs. Published science. It is very easy for the trainee who has just been told that they have two months to find a new job to overlook this. The PI should be a good steward of the public purse. And sometimes that role is going to conflict with the above mentioned responsibilities to staff members. This is why the salvo from @ilovepigenetics about prioritizing salary lines over experiments drew my attention, btw.

If you keep people employed "over experiments" this means that the experiments aren't getting done. Or aren't getting done efficiently. Then where are we? If you can't buy reagents, can't analyze all the samples in the freezer, can't support cage costs, can't maintain mouse lines, can't buy rats, can't recruit human subjects, can't afford scanner time... then everything in the above list crashes down. Because eventually productivity suffers, no new grants come in, no new trainees can be afforded, the dollars eventually run out and everyone needs to be fired.

Just to avoid firing one postdoc today.

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postscript: This Twitt is also spectacularly clueless about the fact that the current extra good news of the sequester comes after a good 5-8 years of serious squeezing and pressure on the NIH budget and NIH funded scientific labs. PIs have been scrambling like crazy to be creative about funding, maintaining trainees salary lines as far as possible and to get the most work done that they can. Like crazy. For years now. And believe you me, this ain't news to any postdoc with half a brain. They've known about how bad things are for ages. If they've been burning the midnight St. Kern oil to write fellowships and papers and assist the PI with grants (so that s/he can get one more out per cycle) then hey, I'm a bit sympathetic. Somehow I suspect not all of them have been doing this though....

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Life in No-A2ville

Mar 01 2013 Published by under NIH, NIH funding

The good Comradde PhysioProffe has launched a new discussion on grant strategy, informed by the past few years' worth of experience with the new reality at the NIH. Specifically, the reality that prohibits more than one resubmission (amendment) of an unfunded grant proposal. As you know, a whole lot of people weren't fond of the new policy.

At any rate, PP has three bits of advice, I'll paraphrase:

3) get your advice from people dealing with this, not GeezerProffes who keep renewing the same award like clockwork- totally agreed. always sound advice.

1) if Significance scores were good and the Approach dragged you down, worth revising. If the Significance scores were in the tanker, don't bother revising because you need wholesale reconstruction. Including New Aims. (which brings PP to his third point.) This is sad and I really don't want it to be true. Obviously we propose stuff that we think has Significance and if those reviewers don't get it, then we can explain it to 'em. And probably they were just the wrong reviewers anyway. Grrrr. Sure...but even so, you still want to seek a new study section perhaps. And this goes straight into PP's main point.

2) regardless of specific cause, if you are substantially changing 2 or more Aims it is better to take a fresh shot at the NewSubmission/OneResubmission deal. - I know what he's saying here and I partially agree. But only partially. Because I still think you are going to need to take a specific line of research through multiple rounds of review to get it funded. Based on the rather steep odds. So the odds are very good that you are going to be slicing and dicing Aims anyway. Some of those mashups are going to be stronger, some weaker....but what ultimately matters is that you get a good shake of the reviewer dice. Because, as always, I assume that you all are smart enough to make every one of your applications at least credible. Past that, I still think it matters tremendously that you simply get the right reviewer mix where at least one person really gets it and two are at least willing to waffle on the usual quibbling. The usual quibbling being stuff that could very well be applied to any application...I've yet to see a perfect one. I'd argue that any applications that have been universally applauded in any study section round* as awesome could be taken to the StockCritique woodshed. Slightly different emphasis of factors and I could write a credible and entirely defensible review that justifies triage. Not kidding.

An additional consideration for me is purely tactical and related to standard receipt dates. I'm deadline driven. This is suboptimal, I admit this. But it is my reality. So having two deadlines a month apart for new and A1 submissions lets me put in more grants. And if I'm sitting there after the new proposal deadline expires with nothing do to but either resubmit or wait until the next round.....I'm going for it.

I will be further considering PP's position, however, and seeing if I am just wasting my time revising and resubmitting.

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*ETA "that I've been present for", this is a personal experience claim. might be some sections where good is good and chaff is chaff. maybe. might be so. I guess.

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The R01 equivalent is the heart and soul of the NIH Extramural program

If you look around a bit on the NIH funding data at RePORT, you will find the following definitions.

Research Project Grants: Defined as R00, R01, R03, R15, R21, R22, R23, R29, R33, R34, R35, R36, R37, R55, R56, RC1, RC2, RC3, RC4, RF1, RL1, RL2, RL5, RL9, P01, P42, PN1, UA5, UC1, UC2, UC3, UC4, UC7, UF1, UH2, UH3, UH5, UM1, U01, U19, U34, DP1, DP2, DP3, DP4, and DP5 . Research projects were first coded to NLM in fiscal year 2007.

R01-Equivalent Grants: Defined as activity codes R01, R29 and R37.

The R29 was the FIRST award program and the R37 is MERIT, generally an extension of the noncompeting interval for a continuation R01 that scored really well. So...basically these are all R01s.

A post from Steven Salzberg begs to "Please save the unsolicited R01s" which includes this graph sourced from FASEB.
number-of-new-r01s

Making the same leap of considering these the "real" investigator initiated awards, we can see that the number of new awards in the past two Fiscal Years is lower than it has been since 95-96, *prior* to the doubling.

Everytime the NIH officialdom chooses to respond to criticism and concern about how their latest initiative will hurt the traditional strength (investigator initiated R01 equivalents) they try to claim that these are not paying the price. In various ways and with various incomplete analyses they try to give the impression that despite the invention of RC this and DP that, the failure to dismantle boondoggle Ps and the increased use of U-mechs...that the R01 remains sacred.

This graph gives you a retort.

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Your Grant In Review: Overstuffing the Vertebrate Animals Section

Feb 20 2013 Published by under Grantsmanship, NIH, NIH funding

There is little doubt that shortening the length of the NIH R01 application from 25 pages to 12 put a huge premium on the available word space. The ever declining success rates have undoubtedly accelerated the desire of applicants to cram every last bit of information that they possibly can into the application.

Particularly since StockCritiqueTM having to do with methodological detail has hardly disappeared.

It is possible that a somewhat frustrated, tongue-in-cheek comment of YHN may have led some folks astray.

Since I am finally getting serious about trying to write one of these new format grants, I am thinking about how to maximize the information content. One thought that immediately strikes me is....cheat!

By which I mean taking sections that normally I would have put in the page-limited part of the grant and sneaking them in elsewhere. I have come up with the following and am looking for more tips and ideas from you, Dear Reader.
1) Moving the animal methods to the Vertebrate Animals section. I'm usually doing quite a bit of duplication of the Vertebrate Animals stuff in my General Methods subheading at the very end of the old Research Design section. I can move much of that, including possibly some research stuff that fits under point 4 (ensuring discomfort and distress is managed), to the Vertebrate Animals section.

Now mind you, one of my always perspicacious commenters was all over me right from the start:

DM - Please don't encourage people to cheat their way out of 12 pages. Please tell them to write a 12-page grant.
I would warn grant-writers to be careful of cheating too much. I was at a study section recently where someone lost about a point of score because one of the reviewers (it wasn't me, although I agree with the reviewer) complained about "cheating" by moving methods into the vertebrate animals section.

That was all back in March 2010. Here we are down the road and I have to say, DearReader, I am hearing a constant drum beat of irritation at people who cheat in just this way. My suggestion (a serious one) is to be very wary of putting what should be your research plan methods into the Vertebrate Animals section.

I am hearing and seeing situations in which reviewers pretty obviously are ticked and almost certainly are punishing the applications accordingly. Nobody likes a cheat. I have even heard of rare cases of people having their grants kicked back, unreviewed, because of this.

So be careful. Keep the Vertebrate Animals section on task and put your Methods where they belong.

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BAM!

Feb 19 2013 Published by under NIH, NIH Budgets and Economics, NIH funding

Opposition to Obama's boondoggle brain activity map project is jealousy pure and simple.

Discuss.

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Repost: Study Section, Act I

I think it has been some time since I last reposted this. This originally appeared Jun 11, 2008.


Time: February, June or October
Setting: The Washington Triangle National Hotel, Washington DC

    Dramatis Personæ:

  • Assistant Professor Yun Gun (ad hoc)
  • Associate Professor Rap I.D. Squirrel (standing member)
  • Professor H. Ed Badger (standing member, second term)
  • Dr. Cat Herder (Scientific Review Officer)
  • The Chorus (assorted members of the Panel)
  • Lurkers (various Program Officers, off in the shadows)

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NIH Sekrits

Feb 11 2013 Published by under FWDAOTI, NIH Careerism

It is a little known #truefact of the NIH that every 500 logins or refreshes on your eRA Commons account improves your eagerly anticipated grant score by 1 percentile point.

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Reconsidering the "too many mouths at the NIH Grant trough" hypothesis

I keep mulling over the data presented in this entry at the Rock Talk blog. I originally concluded that this, combined with the revelation that applications-per-PI only went from 1.2 to 1.5 across the FY98-FY11 interval, showed that the RealProblemTM at the NIH was the growth in the number of Principal Investigator mouths at the trough.
As a reminder, these are data for the investigator-initiated Research Project Grants only and exclude the ARRA largesse. The graph shows change data from the baseline of Fiscal Year 1998. As a brief summary of my prior thoughts:

the post indicates an increase from an average of 1.2 applications submitted per investigator to an average of 1.5 per investigator from 1998 to 2011...This surprised many of us on the Twitters. I don't think I know of any active scientists who are submitting less than several NIH grant applications per year...if we harken back to some data on..the Rock Talk blog (maybe; UPDATED, it was RockTalk) which showed the average NIH PI had only about 2 grants concurrently then we must consider that there are still a LOT of folks out there on a single grant at a time. Especially if they have long-term continuations going, sure, maybe there are a lot of PIs who only have to submit an application once every 5 years. The post also indicates that there were 19,000 applicants in 1998 and this grew to 32,000 in 2011. Some 13,000 new mouths, a 68% increase in PIs seeking money from the NIH.

I've added emphasis to highlight what has been bothering me.

The notion that we have 68% more PIs seeking money from the NIH should have been more of a warning. The thing is, it dovetails nicely with one of the very truthy memes that we have going about the effects of the NIH Doubling interval. More people in the system made a certain sense. Particularly for those of us who were entering the system approximately during the doubling interval and did not feel as though it was easy to get a grant funded. Certainly, success rates did not double. In the historical sense the success rates were only moderately restored from a slide that ran from the late 80s (40% for experienced applicants. Think about that.) to about 1994 (25% for experienced applicants). So if the budget was doubled and success rates were far from doubled, there must be more people seeking funding. Right?

What never seemed possible to me was that traditional research-heavy Universities, who were already deep into NIH-addiction, were throwing up that many new jobs. Sure, they expanded their soft-money faculty positions a little bit...and let the occasional word-salad-position Assistant Adjunct Research Project Professor of Bunny Hopping upjumped postdoc submit a grant or two. But it didn't seem likely to me that this explained the budget/payline disparity. Nor, in context of Rockey's data, did a 68% increase in PIs at such places seem likely. So I was always asserting that the growth came in large part from the entry of new institutions into the system. In the sense that smaller, less research intensive Universities were, perhaps, putting on a big push to get in the NIH game. Perhaps this was by hiring new NIH-honcho faculty. Perhaps by pushing hard from the deanlet level to get the existing faculty to submit more grants, bring in more NIH moola. This latter hypothesis was fueled by rumor of this kind of behavior from some of my colleagues and friends so I was primed to believe it.

My new realization of the week is that the data from Rock Talking are misleading. The denominator for the grants-per-PI is calculated on a per-FiscalYear basis. It has to be, even though they don't say this. So you only get counted if you've submitted at least one grant in the FY. Similarly, the growth in the number of PIs from the 1998 baseline is likewise a reflection of the number of PIs submitting at least one competing grant application in a given FiscalYear. Again, they don't specify. I was perhaps assuming that this reflected the number of PIs in the system, i.e. submitting competing or noncompeting applications. In some senses, we also have to keep in mind the number of occasional applicants to the NIH...hard to believe from my perspective but sure, why not consider that there is a pool of PIs who may have repeated, but not continuous funding from the NIH across their careers?

Keep in mind that I'm eventually getting around to the consideration of the massive decrement in the purchasing power of the standard, $250K direct cost, full modular award.

As you can see, a full modular $250,000 year in 2011 has 69% of the purchasing power of that same award in 2001.

We'll return to this.

Let us start with consideration of what appears to be, going by disgruntleprof comments on various blogs and opinion pieces, the shining virtue of the NIH system...the one-R01 small town grocer. This PI submitted a grant application once every five years to continue her R01...in the old days. So on average this person would be submitting 0.2 grants per FY but in the Rockey analysis would only count as 1 grant-submitted...every five years. Over time, however, she is now facing a decreased probability of getting funded the first time and, let us say, submits an application three times (A2 scenario, not unlikely at all by the end of the doubling), a year apart, during her 5 year window. Her Rockey number is still 1 application per year but her 5 year average has increased to 0.6. Similarly, since we're dealing with the one-grant scenario, the appearance in the Number-of-Mouths data is likewise affected by the frequency of submissions. Taking the 3 tries case again, if she only had to apply twice every 10 years in the past but is now applying 6 times to maintain funding, she has tripled her presence in the Rockey way of looking at the number of applicants. If we're talking about an overall 68% change over time...this kind of behavioral change is significant if it occurs in any appreciable part of the PI distribution. It makes it look like there is a big change in the number of PIs that need to be fed when there have not, in fact, been two more PIs added to the system.

Getting back up to my original thoughts on where the RealProblemTM lies, however, this is all critical. Is the NIH in fact supporting 68% more investigators in 2011 vs 1998? This is what Sally Rockey's post would imply. It certainly implied this to me. However, it may simply reflect the same number of overall PIs in the NIH-funded extramural workforce who simply have to submit more grant applications to maintain the same number of grants.

Which brings me to my next point. Note that I said "same number of grants" but not "same amount of funding". Because it is also clear that over this self-same interval when SmallTownGrocerPI was forced to submit applications more frequently to sustain her funding, she was also forced to try to get more awards simply to maintain the same level of operation. Because the purchasing power of the grant dollars had fallen by so much and yet the full-modular cap still imposed a de facto limit on budget escalation. grants_per_pi_allNow true, the "myth-busting" data from Rockey show only a 4-5% shift in 1-grant to 2-grant PIs from FY1986 to FY2004 when the doubling was rolling hard. This is where the simple case we are discussing really breaks down. Obviously there are many varieties and mixtures of PIs in terms of the number of applications submitted, the stable-versus-growth aspirations, the amount of NIH funding that represents stable state, the mixture of R01 and "other" funding, etc.

So obviously it would be a complex modeling job in the NIH databases to get the best understanding.

But it strikes me that one of the simplest and most productive things for the NIH (read: Sally Rockey's data mining minions) to do would be to take a closer look at the number of PIs applying instead of the number of applications. The number of PIs over an extended window of time, not just on a per-FY basis.

This reason that this is important to know is that the success of any proposed fixes to the NIH depend on this reality. If there has genuinely been an increase in the number of PIs then shelling some of them out of the system permanently (including by preventing entry) is the only way to have sustained effect. Within that category, it may be necessary to see if the growth in PIs has come from the top research Universities or from increases in the lower-tier Universities.

If the main trouble is the uncertainty of maintaining one award, then the solutions are to extend the interval of non-competing and/or give a much larger payline break to competing continuations versus new applications.

If the trouble is that the purchasing power of the full-modular has decreased, then boost the limit to $375K per year in direct costs. [ETA: per comment from Grumble, note that the purchasing power has also been eroded by habitual budget reductions upon funding. Some ICs cut a whole year. Some have made 1-2 module ($25K per module) reductions the SOP. Some hit even non-competing renewals with additional reductions because of budgetary uncertainty. They do this to artificially prop up the success rates. Take one module from 9 awards and you can fund 10.]

It is incredibly frustrating for those of us who watch from the outside since these data are clearly available within the NIH databases and they simply seem to be looking* in the wrong direction.

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*I realize that Sally Rockey may have a ton of analyses that she simply has not put up on the blog. Somehow, given her little oopsie with the alternative career fate of trainees, I doubt it.

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New study concludes no bias in NIH grant review

via Bashir-

A new paper has been published that purports to refute the conclusion of the Ginther report (also see this, this, this, this) that there exists substantial bias in the awarding of NIH grants to white versus black PIs.

Jiansheng Yang, Michael W. Vannier, Fang Wang, Yan Deng, Fengrong Ou, James Bennett, Yang Liud, Ge Wang A bibliometric analysis of academic publication and NIH funding Journal of Informetrics 7 (2013) 318– 324 [ journal link ]

My biggest concern here has to do with the sampling...otherwise I guess we should view it as data that contributes to the overall picture. Much as Ginther et al drew a host of "oh it must really be..." alternative explanations, so should this.

The authors targeted 92 medical schools (1) and selected 31 odd-number-rank schools (2). They identified white and African American faculty members (from, ah, web page pictures and, um "names". also "resumes as needed".(3)) They then did a 1:2 pairing of black with white faculty in the same discipline, with the same degree and within the same medical school (4), same sex and title/academic rank.

So. They were able to identify 130 black professors of which only 14 were funded by the NIH from 2008 to 2011(5). Two were excluded because they couldn't find matching white faculty and one for failing to have any SCI/Web of Science presence (this was used to generate h-index, citations etc).

Eleven. Eleven faculty (out of 130) members, plus an additional 22 matched white faculty, comprise the sample for the correlation of scientific productivity with grant award. Kinda thin.

They took the rankings of the medical schools from US News and World Report and divided the institutions into thirds "Tiers". Ten of the grant sample pairs came from the top third of medical schools and one from the second tier (6)

In Table 2 the paper lists the mean (7) papers, citations and a couple of productivity indices they made up (8). Black investigators had fewer papers (but not significantly different), significantly fewer citations (9) and significantly lower Pc-index.

Second, the productivity measure in terms of peers’ citations, or the Pc-index, is the sum
of the numbers of citations to one’s papers weighted by his/her a-indices respectively. While the Pr-index is useful for
immediate productivity measurement, the Pc-index is retrospective and generally more relevant.

There was no difference in the PcXImpactFactor index. Interesting how they describe the one that identified a difference as "most relevant" isn't it?

Then we move on to tables 3 and 4 in which the authors show that if you "normalize" the PIs' award funding by the various performance measures (10) there is no difference between black and white professors.

There are a few more complaints about the earlier part of the study but that isn't really focused on the grant-getting so I'll leave it for now. It reflects the entire 130 pair sample and examines the productivity measures. There are interesting tibits in the fact that they only had significant differences in the Asst professor ranks. In the larger NIH-grant picture, perhaps their excuse of too few black Full and Associate professors for analysis is highly meaningful for the overall disparity of grant award? Then there was the observation of differences only in the Assistant professors at the top one-third of medical schools but not in the bottom two thirds.

I'll end with my observations:

1) why not academic departments? what proportion of the NIH PI population is at medical schools versus regular academic departments? what about non-University institutions?

2) why not all of them?

3) really? like they never heard of passing. Also "white"? What sort of "white" are we talking here? How do we know their sample of white medical school faculty matches the overall NIH sample of white PIs?

4) so the sample had to be really narrow here because they had to find disciplinary descriptions broad enough that they even had an AfricanAmerican professors represented. This will not be the case everywhere.

5) isn't the whole issue that is at the heart of Ginther those investigators who were NOT funded by the NIH? That's what assessing the disparity is about....figuring out if there are "missing" investigators who should have been funded by were not. Right? Determining whether those funded black investigators are as good as a sample of white investigators is beside the point. I really need to chase down the exact quote but one of the ERA era leaders said something to the effect that women will enjoy true equality not when they can succeed by being better than all the men but when all they have to do is be as good as the worst men in a given workplace. The same logic applies here. The focus should be on the whole distribution of funded investigators. It is irrelevant if, say, black investigators who "should" be at Tier 2b Med school are really employed at Tier 1c Med schools. What matter is if there are black scientists who are just as good as Tier 3f Med school white investigators but are not getting the funding their counterparts are enjoying.

6) ok, whut? why this skew for the top end? if they sought to focus on the elite, why not just sample all of the schools in the top third? or once you get past this the NIH grants are few and thin on the ground? particularly for black investigators perhaps? or for both white and black professors?

7) all of a sudden the white sample is down to 11, should have been 22. I can't figure out what they did here.

8) the a-index they base much of this on seems to be an attempt to parse author credit depending on position in the author list, number of authnors, etc. yeah....that's not resting on a bunch of subfield(9) practice equivalencies, is it?

9) yeah, the disciplinary "matching" isn't working for me here. if the pairs were within Medical School and within discipline presumably this means within Department. This is almost certain to mean that the pairs differed in subdisciplinary issues like model, technical approaches, etc. Differences that can be even more significant contributors to citations than are the broad disciplinary labels. Now true, we'd want to know if there was any evidence that black investigators were more likely to be in lower citation, slower pub rate subfields...

10) This also depends on their being a direct and positive correlation between funding and "productivity". As one example, human imaging research is really expensive, generates papers slowly, rarely ends up in CNS journals and probably isn't cited that highly. People who do such work are living in the same pharmacology, psychiatry and neuroscience departments that contain bench jockey labs shiving each other in the back to race to the latest CNS scoop job. Same title, same department but....comparable? please. oh yeah, see 9) again.

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